Archives For September 2010

Fundie Friday part 3

Zack —  September 10, 2010 — 7 Comments

Not only does this guy have the worst “evangelism method” of all time, he also has the most ironic “evangelist” name: Ray Comfort. You won’t be very comfortable when Ray comes by to tell you you’re going to hell. What Ray and his good buddy Kirk Cameron do is called “confrontational evangelism”. They ambush random people on the street, quiz them on which of the 10 commandments they’ve broken and then tell them they’re going to hell. It’s the way Jesus taught His disciples to share the gospel right?

Are your church attendance numbers down?  Trying to find a way to pack the pews?  Fear not, two Minnesota churches have just the answer for you.

Giveaways!

According to this article, the Crossing Church (who isn’t being subtle about this on their website)  is giving away Vikings season tickets to a lucky few!  Not to be outdone, The Exchange Church (neither are they) is giving away Twins tickets.   Apparently, the Crossing Church also gave away three cars on Easter Sunday last year.  You’re not going to believe this, but attendance was up last Easter…

The church members raised $10,000 to buy the tickets.  Ten.  Thousand.  Dollars.  For tickets.

You may critique or make fun of these churches, but I will say this:  I would sit through a year of Fred Phelps and Terry Jones’ sermons for a chance to see Brett Favre broken in half by a defense lineman…

Go and Do Likewise

Zack —  September 9, 2010 — Leave a comment


Quran burning condemned, but Springfield minister to burn copy, too

BY BOB SMIETANA • THE TENNESSEAN

Conservative Christian leaders condemned a Florida pastor who plans to burn 200 copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, saying Wednesday that Christians don’t burn other religions’ holy books.

It’s as simple as the “separation of church and hate,” said the Rev. Rick Warren, a California megachurch pastor who prayed at President Obama’s inauguration.

The National Association of Evangelicals, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue and Southern Baptist leaders all issued similar statements leading up to Saturday’s anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in American history.

“Book burning is a cowardly act by those afraid that their beliefs aren’t strong enough to attract people if they are allowed a choice,” said Warren, author of The Purpose Driven Life.

The Rev. Bob Old of Springfield, Tenn., doesn’t care what they think.

The longtime Baptist minister says the Rev. Terry Jones of the Dove World Center Outreach in Gainesville, Fla., is doing the right thing by burning the Quran. So he’s going to do likewise.

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I think this begs the question: Who’s crazier? The man who comes up with the crazy idea or the one hears about it, thinks its a great idea despite worldwide outcry, and decides “You know what? I should probably get in on this.”

The Best and Worst Video Ever

Wes —  September 8, 2010 — 1 Comment

Without further ado, I present to you “Baby Got Book.”  That would be a Christian rap song about the Bible, set to Sir Mix-A-Lot’s “Baby Got Back.”  Lyrics below…

Lyrics below

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But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you…”(Matthew 5:44-45)

By now, most people have heard of Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who plans on holding a community-wide Koran burning at his church ( Dove World Outreach) on September 11th.  He’s gotten quite a bit of publicity (probably the goal all along) lately, even drawing the ire of General David Petraus- who warns that burning Korans will endanger US troops.

I’ve been trying to wrap my head around Terry Jones’ thought process for a couple of weeks, and I’m having some trouble.  His basic message is that Islam is a violent religion that should be stopped.  I’m hoping someone can explain to me exactly how burning their “holy” book is going to make them see the light and become peace loving Christians?

It almost seems like this guy and his church are just looking to be be hateful and inflammatory just for the sake of being hateful and inflammatory.  But I only know of one group that consistently does that in the name of Christ, and surely Terry Jones wouldn’t hitch his wagon to them.

Wait… are you serious?

Nevermind.

Old Time Religion

Zack —  September 7, 2010 — 1 Comment

I hear lines like this a lot: “we need some of that old time religion”, “this would never have been allowed in our parent’s church”, or “we need to get back to the faith of our fathers.” The idea being that we need only look back or appeal to a previous (often the most recent or first) generation to see a time when the faith was “pure” and so use that time as the infallible authority by which the “faith of today” should be judged. This isn’t a rant against “old people”. I’ve been blessed to be in the company of many “old people” who because of their love for the faith want to see it transmitted effectively, not tyrannically to the next generation. And I’ve encounter plenty of “young people” convinced that any church that doesn’t look like the one they grew up in must be of the devil.

Personally, I find this mentality of “old time religion” troubling, confusing, and dishonest on a number of levels. First, the idea that there was a time when the faith was “pure” or problem free just isn’t true. Try reading the New Testament (not to mention the Old). Not only were many of Paul’s letters words of correction to the early church, but Jesus Himself faced constant problems with confused (Peter) and wayward (Judas) disciples. Furthermore, our own memories are greatly tainted by nostalgia. Everyone longs for the “good ‘ole days” when everything seemed “simple” and “good.” But in truth they never were as great as we imagine them to be.

The “faith of our fathers” that is so often appealed to is almost never a call back to the historic faith, but the faith of a particular generation. We should certainly cherish and learn from the faith of the previous generation, but we also need to be realistic about the past, it’s shortcomings and its limitations. This supposedly pure, authentic time of the faith, usually the 40s and 50s, was also a time when the faith, at best(?), turned a blind eye to racism. If we really need to return to the “faith of our fathers” does that mean we also need to resegregate churches? (Not that they have been particularly desegregated today)

Finally, this appeal to the authority of the infallible past seems particularly dishonest to me. First, as I have already said, it is not an appeal to the historic faith, but an appeal to one’s favorite time in history that that person has fondest or perceived memories of. The faith that is being pushed by these “resorationists” isn’t the “truth faith of the Bible” they think or want it to be, it is in fact the very thing they so adamantly condemn in their opponents: a faith made in their own image, formed by their own desires. Their real allegience isn’t to God or the Bible but “the way things used to be.” Certainly there were (and always will be) times in the past that were better than the present. We are constantly getting things right and then screwing them up. But as much as we are and should be a people of history, we can’t be a people who live in the past. The world around us is constantly changing. That certainly doesn’t mean we need to renarrate the gospel in order to make it more appealing to modern ears, but it does mean that we need to recognize that the very fact that the gospel is “relevant” to all cultures and all times means that its presentation, not its content, will look different in different cultures and times. This isn’t something to fear, but to celebrate.

The faith of our fathers isn’t a faith that goes back only a generation or two. It goes back centuries. We absolutely must learn from it and use it as a guide, but we must also never refuse look at our past critically. We always need to be willing to look back at our past and ask questions of it in order to glean what can be learned and leave behind what is better left to bygone days. If we look back at our past with blind devotion and refuse to look critically at it then it, not God, quickly becomes our object of worship.

Housewife or Hell

Zack —  September 4, 2010 — 22 Comments

 

 

If the wife isn’t a “homemaker” and the husband isn’t the sole breadwinner then you’re both probably going to hell. At least, so says Mark Driscoll and his wife.

In case you’re not familiar with Driscoll, don’t be deceived by the “cool clothes”, the high end graphics, or the expensive stage pieces. He’s really no different than the fire and brimstone Calvanist preachers of his father’s day. Same ‘ole fundamentalism, new packaging.

Jesus had AIDS?

Zack —  September 3, 2010 — Leave a comment

‘Jesus was HIV-Positive’

Johannesburg – A churchman in Cape Town has angered Christians in his community by preaching that Jesus Christ was HIV-positive, South Africa’s Mail & Guardian newspaper reported on Friday.

Reverend Xola Skosana of the charismatic Way of Life church said he had decided to tackle the issue of HIV/Aids head-on to end the stigma surrounding the disease.

In a sermon entitled “Jesus was HIV positive” he told his congregation in Khayelitsha township that God was present in everyone, sick and healthy.

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This isn’t an American story, but it sure feels like one. Good intentions, poor execution. Apparently the pastor was trying to destigmatize HIV for his congregation. HIV is a massive problem throughout the African continent and needs serious attention, not to mention the involvement of the church, but there’s probably a better way to raise awareness and get the church to be the church to those with HIV other than throwing out a line like “Jesus was HIV-positive.”

Fundie Friday – part 2

Zack —  September 3, 2010 — 3 Comments

Apparently Oprah and Dr. Phil prove that women should be silent in the church.

This story has actually been in the national news for a few months now, and it doesn’t seem to be going away.   Strippers in Warsaw, OH are protesting a local church every Sunday in retaliation for the church protesting and harassing their club and customers.    Despite going back and forth for months, no peace has been made between the two parties.

You can read the full story over here at the Detroit News.

So… who’s in the right here?  Is the church justified in their actions, or is there some creative way to show love to outsiders in this situation?  Let’s hear some thoughts in the comments