The Changing Face Of The Christian Faith (Or Why Mark Driscoll Tweets & John Piper Blog Posts Matter)

Zack —  January 24, 2013 — 40 Comments

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If you happened to find yourself on the internet on Monday, then chances are you may have heard about this tweet from Mark Driscoll.

Not surprisingly it caused a bit of a ruckus (as so many of the things he says do).

Also not surprisingly, people came out of the woodwork, not so much to defend him (though, of course, some did), but to attack people who had the apparent audacity to criticize him.

These sorts of attacks usually go one of two ways – either people like myself who critique celebrity preachers are accused of “attacking a man of God/another Christian”  or we’re attacked for conducting that critique in public.

Frankly, I’m not sure which is more ridiculous.

The former stems from fear of public perception, the idea being that if “outsiders” see Christians disagree with one another, then they’ll necessarily reject the gospel, because apparently all that’s standing in the way of someone like Richard Dawkins becoming a Christian is the church’s complete and total agreement on every issue of faith.

The mere fact that people continue to join the faith and have continued to join the faith despite two millennia of disagreement and disunion within the church, demonstrates that this fear is completely unfounded.

The latter attack stems from a fundamental misunderstanding or misreading of scripture that seems to believe that all disagreements within the church should happen outside the public sphere and behind closed doors. Not only does this sort of prescription appear nowhere in scripture, in fact, the very opposite is true.

Nearly every recorded instance we have of Jesus disagreeing with someone in the Gospels occurs in a public forum. Whether that public forum was the temple, a hillside, a town square, or just walking down the road, Jesus felt it completely acceptable (if not proper) to criticize his opponents and even argue with them in public.

And so did Paul.

Throughout the book of Acts we see Paul arguing for and against other believers in the public sphere. Moreover, the vast majority of the New Testament, Paul’s letters, became the vast majority of the New Testament because the squabbles they describe and respond to (and instruction they give) were fleshed out in public. The broader church saw the value in those letters as they were shared with whoever would listen, and thus (over time) they became canon.

In other words, the Christian faith is a public practice.

Because it is a public practice, the way the church conducts herself must change as the modes of public discourse change.

Jesus and the early church debated in the temple, town squares, and hillsides because that was the public forum of their today.

Today, the internet is our public forum. Through social media, blogs, and websites we are brought together in unprecedented fashion to share our beliefs, exchange ideas, and voice our disagreement when the need arises.

As we’ve seen in Libya, Egypt, and countless other places, this public exchange has the capacity to quite literally change the world.

Which means engaging this new arena of public discourse should be of utmost importance to the church if she is going to take Jesus’ call to go the the ends of the earth and make disciples seriously. The internet doesn’t replace flesh and blood discipleship, but it has a dramatic impact on the way all of us see, understand, and interact with the world.

In short, the world itself has changed and the church must change with it.

Even the leader of the oldest, most tradition entrenched Christian institution on earth realizes and embraces this technological revolution.

Of course, so do celebrity preachers.

And that’s were things get interesting, if not just flat out strange.

There appears to be this unspoken mentality among many church leaders, and especially their followers, that they are not accountable, at least not beyond their local church, for anything they say or do on the internet as if they were only speaking to their local congregation. I say they apparently feel this way because they rarely, if ever, take the opportunity to respond to the firestorms they create.

This is incredibly absurd and profoundly unchristian.

As I’ve already said and we all already knew, the internet connects us in unprecedented ways. As a result, it has a profound impact on how we think and talk about everything, including, if not especially, the faith. The church has always been connected on a spiritual level, but now the sinews of the Body of Christ are fused together in tangible ways that the apostle Paul could never have imagined, the potential of which we are just not beginning to imagine.

And this is why what one Christian says on the internet matters, particularly when that one Christian is a celebrity preacher with a large following.

We are all in this thing called Christianity together. There is no such thing as “my church” that is somehow disconnected or autonomous from “our church.” What one of us says or does affects the rest of us because we all share the same identity: Christian. Sure, we may be free to choose the color of carpet in our own churches without any real ramifications for the broader church, but when we choose to engage the world outside the four walls of our local churches, what we say or do directly affects and is accountable to the rest of the church body.

To put it simply, the notion of Christian autonomy that pervades so much of the church today isn’t Biblical. It’s American. Worse yet, it’s antithetical to the fundamental ideas of Christianity: one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Moreover, the very nature of the interconnected world we live in makes this sort of autonomy and the subsequent attempts at the privatization of the faith an intrinsic impossibility.

For good or ill we are all, both Christian and non-Christian alike, connected to one another and there is no going back.

Which means tweets and blog posts from celebrity pastors matter. And when they go viral they can have a significant impact on the church, which is exactly why we can’t bury our heads in the ground under the guise of “he’s not my pastor.”

“He” may not be, but as a fellow Christian “he” represents our faith (and us) to the world and if he does that in an unchristian, or worse yet, abusive, way, then we as fellow believers have an obligation to stand up and say something about it.

It’s not that celebrity preachers are accountable to the internet, an admittedly rather abstract concept. Rather, the reason they are accountable for their tweets and posts is that very real people make up the online community they are broadcasting too, many members of which are Christians who, as fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, they are very much accountable to…..which makes it inexplicable that so many of them have the apparent arrogance to think they are not obligated to respond to outrage when it arises in response to something they have said or done. If you have enough time to start the conversation, then you have the time (or must find the time) to respond when the conversation takes a turn for the worse. Otherwise you are being utterly irresponsible and reckless with the gifts God has given you as a leader of God’s people.

In the face of their silence, if we as Christians care about the message that is being preached and the image of Christ that is being portrayed to the world, then we absolutely and unequivocally have a responsibility to speak out. After all, if we are truly members of a royal priesthood, then we have both the scriptural authority and obligation to do so.

Where should we speak?

Where the conversation is happening: on Twitter, Facebook, blogs, etc.

It simply makes no sense when church leaders begin a conversation (which is the purpose of tweets, Facebook statuses, blog posts, etc.), for other Christians to respond to that conversation somewhere else. I don’t mean the conversation shouldn’t also continue offline. I mean the idea that seems to pop up whenever celebrity preachers like Mark Driscoll or John Piper or whoever say something outrageous, namely that Twitter, Facebook, or blogs are the wrong place to engage the conversation that started in those very same places, is utterly absurd.

The world has changed.

The internet is the new public square.

Just like Jesus, Paul, and the rest of the early church, we must have these conversations in the open for all to see, warts and all, both for the sake of accountability, but also in hopes that maybe in the midst of our passionate conversations and debate, the Truth will arise, others will see that Truth, and begin to ask us questions.

And therein lies the beauty of our changing world.

We may not all have the money to travel to the ends of the earth, but with a basic computer and internet connection each and every one of us can proclaim to good news to every corner of creation.

There are certainly some inherent risks in that opportunity, but ultimately it allows the Christian faith to be a faith defined by the Body of Christ, rather than a few celebrity preachers.

And that is a very, very good thing.

 

Grace and peace,

Zack Hunt

 

 

Zack

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  • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

    This is excellent. I have a feeling people will be referring to this a lot.

  • http://henryimler.com/ Henry Imler

    Amen.

  • http://www.facebook.com/afreshmind Ryan Brightside Kuramitsu

    great article man! thank you for sharing.

  • http://www.emergingmummy.com/ Sarah Bessey

    Great post, Zack. Well said.

  • Nish

    *standing slow clap*

  • http://lilablackbird.tumblr.com/ Charlotte

    Thank you for this, this is so excellent.

  • http://twitter.com/elizabethesther Elizabeth Esther

    Word.

  • http://www.seeprestonblog.com Preston Yancey

    Amen.

  • http://www.inamirrordimly.com/ Ed_Cyzewski

    This is a great line: “If you have enough time to start the conversation, then you have the time (or must find the time) to respond when the conversation takes a turn for the worse. Otherwise you are being utterly irresponsible and reckless with the gifts God has given you as a leader of God’s people.”

    Perhaps some of the passion behind the responses to these preachers has to do with the perception that they are not truly accountable to anyone. There may be a chart in a binder in someone’s office with an authority structure, but really… I think it’s also important to suggest that there are some tweets that are just arrogant and annoying and some that can be really harmful. For example, the “effiminet worship pastor” fb post a while back was really awful and warranted the response it received.

    • Dave

      I think you nailed it, Ed. I’ve heard Driscoll say, in a nutshell, that once he reached the place that he is, i.e. pastoring one of the 5 largest churches in the country, there “is no one else.” That he has no one to hold him accountable because no one else has been to that level, or something. I believe that’s the mindset behind quips like the worship pastor thing, the comic nerd thing, the president thing… It boils down to pride.

  • http://somuchshoutingsomuchlaughter.com/ suzannah | the smitten word

    absolutely. public faith, public practice, public wrestling. nice work here.

  • http://twitter.com/ModernReject Nicole Cottrell

    Zack,

    I’m new to your blog and happy to have found you. While I agree with your overall sentiment, I do wonder about a few things. I grant you that Jesus and Paul (among others) certainly did rebuke their opponents in the public sphere. Scripture even instructs us to do the same.

    But, we have to be careful to use the prominence of social media as an excuse to make any and everything public. A word spoken in public does not automatically constitute a reproof spoken in public, in response. Both discernment and the Spirit have to guide our actions–no matter the arena.

    More than that, however, while Jesus and others did respond to their naysaysers publicly, I do not see their responses in scripture in anyway mimicking the responses that have been doled out to Driscoll and the like.

    The majority of the responses to Driscoll are more like attacks, done to shame and silence him. What good does this serve? How does slamming him back prove fruitful? If we’re going to call out our brethren, we would be wise to do so in truth *and* grace, love *and* word.

    Twitter, Facebook, and the blogosphere do not undo the need to love one another. Social media does not give Christians a free pass to act like jerks (which I know you are not claiming). “If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.”

    And I’m not too worried about Driscoll because scripture also says “A man who remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.” Proverbs 29:1

    • brad

      Nicole, in light of the rest of your comment, if you believe that Mark Driscoll’s destruction is imminent, shouldn’t you be *abundantly* worried about him?

    • ZackHunt

      This probably won’t sound how I meant it too, but I’m not sure how calling someone like Driscoll (or whomever) to account publicly for something they said publicly what was attempting to represent the Christian faith is somehow unloving? This has been going on throughout the history of the church, most often by people we now call “saints.” If you were to read their discourse you would see that they had no qualms about “attacking” each other (as you put it), though I’m not sure “attacking” is a fair characterization of opposing someone’s theology. Heck, even Jesus wasn’t above name calling – “you brood of vipers”, “den of thieves.” (Not to imply we should all resort to name calling)

      All that to say, I’m all for civility, but vigorous public opposition amongst fellow Christians has a long, healthy, and often productive, tradition behind it. In other words, there is 2,000 years worth of Christian literature (not least of all that which was produced during the early church and the Protestant Reformation) that demonstrates both the effectiveness and the appropriateness of what you’re describing as “slamming him back.”

  • http://twitter.com/EmmanuelFonte Emmanuel Fonte

    well said… well written!

  • http://www.shaneyirene.com/ Shaney Irene

    There is no such thing as “my church” that is somehow disconnected or autonomous from “our church.” YES. Thank you for this.

  • http://twitter.com/findmattcox Matt Cox

    Thanks Zack. If you had the influence and “celebrity” of a Mark Driscoll, what would be your litmus test on what you would or wouldn’t respond to? I agree there is a much heavier spiritual weight the more popular and influential a pastor gets, but responding all the time to people that disagree when thousands follow and reply to you just doesn’t make sense mathematically. There’s not enough time in the day.

    So what would you choose to respond to if you said something that caused a rift of the same significance if you wholeheartedly believed you were glorifying God when you originally did it?

    Let me qualify this. I am in NO way a Driscoll or Piper apologist. I also think his latest tweet was abhorrent and irresponsible. But I know I will also say things to my small area in KS that some may consider offensive. Does that mean it’s my responsibility to respond to each offense regardless of the legitimacy? I guess that’s why I’m wondering what the litmus is.

    But the encouraging theme I got from your post really is what posts like Driscoll’s do to Christianity more than what it does to his reputation. The more important role of us speaking out isn’t to change Mark, but to assure the non-believing public that Mark doesn’t speak for the rest of us – or the majority for that matter.

    • ZackHunt

      Matt, good questions.

      For me, as I tried to imply in the post, the litmus test would be the clear, major, widespread outcry that occurs when these guys say or do some of the more outrageous things they tend to say and do. I wasn’t trying to imply that they should respond to each individual person, you’re right there is not enough time for that, but a singular response is, I think, both appropriate and called for.

      There is enough time for that sort of thing, which is why I get so frustrated/baffled/etc. when they throw out theological grenades(?), i.e. “God hates you” or “God sent Hurricane Sandy as a theology lesson in total depravity,” but refuse to respond to the clear and widespread outrage that follows as if they are just talking in a vacuum. They certainly don’t have to respond to every blogger or Twitter follower, but they should respond broadly to the church they have injured.

  • brad

    I am accountable for my faith, and I am called have an answer to share with gentleness and respect. However, I am not accountable for anyone else’s. I am allowed to be angry when provoked, but no matter the level of my fury, I am not permitted to sin. I will repent for my actions when warranted. But I will not throw rocks through disembodied media at a stranger who by my estimation needs to repent.

    Indeed, unless I have made the appropriate voluntary affiliation, then whoever-it-is is not my pastor, and therefore does not represent my personal faith.

    Despite the justifiable anger induced by comments made by the willfully ignorant, it is impossible to fix fighting with fighting. That’s one of the paradoxes embedded in this post.

    Another is the assertion that diversity (even disunity) is allowable, but we must, in conformity, follow one singular call to action (in this case to rebuke someone).

    I’m highly in favour of a democratic voice-of-the-people kind of approach to Christianity. But Christianity had better not be defined by its participants, celebrity or otherwise. Rather it should be defined by the living, engaged person of Christ himself. And because he is transcendent, perhaps it would be better to not be so concerned about definitions after all.

    • ZackHunt

      “unless I have made the appropriate voluntary affiliation” – As a Christian you have. It’s called the Body of Christ.

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  • Erictt

    Well said. But there is one small problem, derived from a term you used (correctly, I would add): “celebrity.” Celebrities, including celebrity preachers, depend on recognition and publicity. I’m perfectly fine with Christians disagreeing in public and responding to Driscoll online is appropriate since that is the venue he used. But every time a blogger or journalist or Facebook user reposts and/or criticizes Driscoll, he gains or keeps that recognition. “No such thing as bad publicity,” so to speak. Not responding to his asinine comments might be the best way to curb his influence. Yes, he’d still have his fans as followers, but they aren’t going anywhere anyway. Ignoring him means he doesn’t influence the rest of us.

    • ZackHunt

      That is the great catch 22 in all this, but when people are suffering spiritual abuse and/or destructive theology is being preach, I’m not sure silence (ignoring) is the best option.

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  • Lindsey

    I cringed when you put Mark Driscoll and JohnPiper in the same boat. They may have some similar theology but most similarities end there. As far as your views regarding public disagreement goes, I say kuddos! As long as it is based on facts and isn’t some personal attack on his family, feel free to disagree! It heightens the level of thought and if people are uncomfortable with they can bury their heads back in the sand.

    • ZackHunt

      Ok, you’ve got me curious. Apart from their attire and taste in music, how are Mark Driscoll and John Piper so dissimilar?

      • Lindsey

        One is aware of his shortcomings and even took a leave of absence because of his struggles with pride while the other (at least publicly) has not admitted to his pride and how it has hurt those around him. All in all, John Piper is much less offensive than Mark Driscoll, in my opinion.

        • http://www.diannaeanderson.net/ Dianna

          John Piper, for that reason, is much more insidious and problematic than Driscoll. He’s nice and loving and looks like he’s really sincerely trying, but then he proclaims that abused women are complicit in their abuser’s sin (victim blaming), says Newtown was a “warning from God” and that divorce is never, ever an option, even in cases of abuse. He’s a lot smoother than Driscoll, to be sure, but his theology is just as horrific.

        • ZackHunt

          As Dianna pointed out (very sorry for the delayed response, just saw you respond), Piper has said many things that are just as offensive if not more so, not least of all his latest post that claimed the shooting at Sandy Hook was a theological lesson from God about total depravity. Frankly, I find some of what he says far worse than what Driscoll preaches. He may have confronted his pride, but he sure hasn’t confronted his monstrous theology: http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/a-lesson-for-all-from-newtown

          • Lindsey

            Honestly, I don’t read his blog. I have listened to many of his sermons over the last decade or so and have found him not to make such bold opinions in his sermons as he perhaps does in his blog. I’ll be sure to read up on your posts as I’m sure they’re great. Thanks for responding!

          • Karen

            Zack, thanks for your persistent defense of a genuinely Christian and faithfully apostolic biblical take on this spiritually disastrous pagan theodicy disguised in biblical language that stems from Calvin’s heresies. It grieves me no end how this shipwrecks the faith of many, and they end up either “atheists” or, worse, (judging from some comments to posts like this) end up buying into this demonic misinterpretation and misapplication of the Scriptures and this pagan image of “God,” unwittingly becoming “twice as fit for hell” as their teachers are themselves.

            From an Eastern Orthodox (and NT) perspective, Christ is the interpretation (fulfillment and full Meaning) of the OT, and the OT narratives can only be understood and properly interpreted in the full light of Christ’s life and teachings, not the other way around. Accordingly, the early Church Fathers (following the writers of the NT) overwhelmingly interpreted the OT allegorically and typologically. Even the more “literal” Antiochian school of interpretation bore little resemblance to the Fundamentalist literalism of Piper’s kind that exists today in its treatment of the OT and its philosophical explanation (based on the Church Fathers’ understanding of the biblical revelation) of the nature of God in relationship to evil. Similarly, the Reformer’s *Penal* Substitution, which imagines Christ’s death changes something in *God,* rather than in sinful humankind, is heresy and stems from human philosophical notions of “God” that distort His Self-revelation in Christ. The Apostles would not recognize the theology of Piper and Driscoll (or Calvin) in this area as even remotely Christian.

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  • http://www.socialnerdia.com/ Esteban Contreras

    Good post about the topic. I personally think it’s great to see faith “leaders” engaging online, and I think there should be more Christians actively participating in conversations of all kinds online. I completely agree with you in the idea that other Christians should continue such conversations natively (wherever they started, as opposed to on niche bubble-like Christian environments). All that being said, I would’ve liked your personal thoughts on Driscoll’s tweet. I’m guessing you have elsewhere.

    As a Christian, I often share thoughts online about everything under the sun, but I’ve not been as vocal about my faith in recent years. I’m not very proud of this and have decided that this year I will be more authentic when it comes to what I believe in.

    • ZackHunt

      Hey Esteban,

      I just replied to him on Twitter (like many others did), not much more than that. Here’s what I said: “I assume this is your prayer – “The Pharisee stood up & prayed ‘God I thank u that I am not a sinner like other men’” Luke 18:11″

      Long story short, I thought his tweet was profoundly judgmental, incredibly unchristian, and beneath the dignity of a pastor, particularly one with his stature.

  • Steve Martin

    “…but ultimately it allows the Christian faith to be a faith defined by the Body of Christ, rather than a few celebrity preachers.”

    Very well said.

    Thank you.

    the old adam

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