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Your Magic Won't Help You Here, Sissy!

 

Last night, @PastorMark gave us what it easily our favorite Driscoll tweet to date:

 

Secretly, we are hoping for a string of similar tweets from Pastor Mark. Here are some of our suggestions:

Met a former spousal abuser today. Became a Christian and now only emotionally abuses women. Yup. He’s elect

Met a former feminist today. Saw the light and now says women’s place is in the kitchen. Yup. She’s elect.

Met a former member of a boy band today. Gave me all his old, tight-fitting t-shirts. Yup. He’s elect.

Met a former emergent today. Told me he thought Rob Bell was a total queer. Yup. He’s elect.

Met a lady in my congregation today. Had a vision of her cheating on her husband. Told her she had a great rack. Yup, she’s select.

What awesome Driscoll tweets can you come up with?

Rob Bell Is A Fundamentalist

Zack —  June 6, 2011 — 4 Comments

 

 

You may have heard that Rob Bell published a book about hell called Love Wins. A few media outlets picked up the story, including some magazine called Time.

It has created quite the uproar in the church with accusations flying left and right, before and after it’s publication that Rob Bell is a “universalist”.

I would like to suggest that Rob Bell isn’t a universalist, but a fundamentalist.

Here’s what I mean…

When we hear the word “fundamentalist” in the church we often think of men in suits and ties, hard wooden pews, fiery preachers like Terry Jones, Jack Schaap or Mark Driscoll, and groups like Westboro Baptist. While even those who call themselves fundamentalists can’t agree on what all of those fundamentals are, they usually share a few fundamentals in common including: the inerrancy of scripture, the submissive role of women at church and in the household, hate for the world, and anti-intellectualism primarily in the form of equating belief in evolution to sin. These of course are but a sampling of some of the more common tenets of fundamentalism many outsiders associate with the movement, but for the sake of blogging brevity they will suffice.

It really shouldn’t come as much of a surprise that people are drawn to fundamentalism. Sure, for those of us on the “outside” there doesn’t seem to be much of an appeal, but those who take up the banner of fundamentalism do so because the name itself implies that it is more true to the Christian faith than any other brand of Christianity. In other words, fundamentalists cling to the core truths or fundamentals of the faith while other traditions add, twist, or corrupt the truth of the gospel. So, people tend towards fundamentalism in all of its forms because on the surface it seems to many to virtuously hold fast to the purest form of the Christian faith no matter how controversial or offensive that may be to modern sensibilities.

The truth, however, is that there is nothing fundamental about fundamentalism.

If we only were to take a moment to examine the substance of the “fundamental” truths so many so-called fundamentalists cling to we would discover that, in fact, they are not fundamental truths of the biblical narrative, but exceptions to it.

While so-called fundamentalists purport to have a high view of scripture, placing it at the center of their lives as the basis for their faith, in reality their view of scripture and the faith is grounded not in the Bible, but it what “they have always been told.” This is why you hear those of this persuasion complaining that things in the church “weren’t that way when they were growing up” or you hear them longing for the “good ole days”. The “fundamentals” of the faith they hold so dear more often than not arise more from their upbringing than an unbiased interpretation of scripture. This is in part what spurs the furor of fundamentalists. When you critique their faith you are not only criticizing their God, but more importantly, their family.  When you “focus on the family” this critique becomes an unforgivable sin.

More fundamentally though, this is really an epistemological issue. For the fundamentalist the Bible is a collection of propositional truths.  Every sentence is absolutely true for all time regardless of scriptural context. Because the Bible has been chopped up into chapters and verses it lends itself very easily to the selective focus of fundamentalism.

So, for example, fundamentalists would have you believe that in order to be a Christian you must first hate the world. They would tell you this is true because 1 John 2:15 says so. What they don’t tell you is not only is John talking specifically about lust in that context, but that that same John was also the one who wrote “For God so loved the world.” If loving the world means hating the Father, then God hates himself. That’s a bit of a problem.

Fundamentalists would have you believe that women should be silent in the church, or at the very least they should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, serving in no position of leadership because in 1 Corinthians 14 Paul seems to say so (once) therefore it must be true in every situation for all time. If this was the fundamental narrative of scripture and not the isolated opinion of the apostle Paul regarding a specific problem in a specific church, then we would have no book of Ruth or Esther, Jesus would never have used women as key assets in his ministry, Paul himself would never have thanked women for their role in ministry in every single one of his letters, and most problematic of all we would have no account of the resurrection.

Women were the first ones at the tomb on Easter morning because the men were hiding in fear for their lives. If they were supposed to remain silent, no one would have ever known that the tomb was empty. Without women there would be no Christian faith. So, as much as someone like Jack Schaap may won’t to claim that he will “never get his theology from a woman”, in fact his entire theology his built on the words of women.

Of course, fundamentalists would also have you believe that your options are literal 6 day creationism or heresy and an eternity in hell. Nevermind the fact that before there was even a Bible, Jewish rabbis during the time of Jesus were already writing that the first 2 chapters in Genesis should not be read literally. The church father St. Augustine would echo this sentiment 400 years later in his treatise The Literal Meaning of Genesis and it wouldn’t be until the 1920s that “creationism” would even become an issue in the church. Even that group was more concerned about social Darwinism than the theory of evolution itself.

Perhaps most famously fundamentalists would have you believe that the truth and power of scripture lies in its ability to be a perfect source of history and science, never standing in tension with itself despite being written by dozens of different authors over several centuries. They would tell you this is true because the Bible says this about itself. It doesn’t.

When Paul talked about the “god-breathed” scriptures in 2 Timothy 3:16  he never imagined his personal letters to a church would one day be canonized. When the psalmists talks about God’s law being perfect he is referring very specifically to the Levitical covenant God made with His people, not a Bible that wouldn’t yet exist for millennia. The truth, power, and even inerrancy of the Bible is not found its minutae, but in the way it perfectly reveals God’s love, grace, forgiveness, and redemption to creation.

If we take the time to actually read the Bible instead of relying on word of mouth and we do the hard work of trying to hear the overall narrative of scripture instead of cherry picking a handful of verses, then we find a story of God’s love, grace, forgiveness, redemption, and hope. In the beginning mankind tries to take over creation with a piece of fruit, but God forgives and begins the plan of redemption. Then mankind forces the hand of God to start over by sending a flood, but God offers grace, salvation, and hope in the midst of the storm. God frees His children from slavery only to see them exploit their newfound freedom, but yet He continues to offer hope in the midst of their chaos. In the climax of God’s story He sends Himself to once and for all redeem His creation. When the church he leaves in charge can’t get things right he offers them words of love, grace, instruction, and forgiveness. And in the end He promises ultimate salvation, redemption, justice, and hope.

These are the fundamental truths of the biblical narrative. We worship a loving God, full of grace who forgives us of our sin, redeems us as His children, and offers us hope of life with Him.

So, when someone like Rob Bell declares his hope that a loving God will never cease to extend grace, forgiveness, and redemption to His creation it is because he is clinging to the fundamental message of the Bible.

The church doesn’t need any more Biblical excpetionists like Mark Driscoll, Jack Schaap, or Westboro Baptist. The church needs more true fundamentalists who are willing to read the Bible with integrity and boldly proclaim the fundamental message of God’s love, grace, forgiveness, and redemption to a world desperately in need of hope and healing.

Grace and peace,

Zack Hunt

 

 

As we’ve pointed out before Mark Driscoll is not a fan of yoga.

So, I wonder how he’s taking this piece of news…..

‘Holy yoga’ for Jesus coming to Seattle area

by Amy Rolph, seattlepi.com

Grab your mat and say a prayer, Seattle.

Yoga just got a whole lot more pious.

“Holy Yoga” is happening in Redmond Friday and Saturday, part of a weekend workshop event for yogis with Christian convictions.

What’s on the schedule? I’m so glad you asked.

Attendees will start out with a “Jesus at the Core” Bible study. (Get it? Because yoga is all about engaging your core, right?)

There’s gentle holy yoga and power holy yoga — all about encouraging “victorious living in Christ.”

“Holy Yoga is a holistic worship experience,” said Brooke Boon, founder of Holy Yoga. “We use our minds to study and meditate on the word of God, our hearts to listen, our bodies to glorify and our souls to respond to the promptings of His Holy Spirit.”

The event is happening at the Washington Cathedral in Redmond, where pastor Pastor Linda Skinner is a fan. The church hosts weekly holy yoga classes.

“We take seriously what God’s Word says to us about our bodies being a temple of the Holy Spirit,” Skinner said in a prepared statement.

Not everyone in the Christian community is a fan of yoga. Mark Driscoll, pastor of the every-growing Mars Hill Church in Seattle, recently said yoga is “demonic” and “absolute paganism.”

Found here

 

 

As we continue the countdown to Judgement Day on May 21st we bring you yet another sign of the coming apocalypse.

Do you know what the first Google search result is for church??

That’s right, Mark Driscoll is the top result for “church”!!

If “Pastor Mark” is the top definition of what looks like, then surely Jesus is coming quickly to reclaim her church and save her from the insanity, arrogance, and closet fundamentalism that is Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill Church.

With this latest sign we here at American Jesus are beginning to seriously consider the possibility that Jesus may in fact return on May 21st. After all, if this is what the church looks like or what people want it to look like, then we say “Come quickly Lord Jesus!”

On a better note, though, there may be a counter sign of the apocalypse in this sign of the apocalypse.

The number 3 Google search result for “church” is Church’s Chicken and there ain’t nothin’ wrong with some fried chicken. Mmmmmm……

**Although true fried chicken connoisseurs know that the best chicken on the face of the planet is at Gus’ Fried Chicken in Memphis, TN. If you disagree then you either 1)have never been blessed to experience Gus’ culinary delight or 2)you are a bigger “heretic” than Rob Bell and love will definitely not win for you!)

Madness Matchups

Zack —  March 15, 2011 — 1 Comment

We’ve done the research for you. So, all you have to do is vote for the winner.

As promised here are the breakdowns of the matchups for American Jesus Madness.

 

Mark Driscoll vs. Interpretive Dance Lady

This one might seem like a no brainer. Driscoll is a man’s man. He doesn’t mess with sissy stuff like yoga. There is no way he would ever lose to a woman. But don’t be so quick to count this lady out. Not only is she an awesome dancer, but her video made it all the way to the Huffington Post! Then again, Driscoll is probably too much of a bully to lose to anybody.

 

Ted Haggard vs. Hookers For Jesus

This might be one of the trickiest 1st round matchups. We all know that Pastor Ted has a penchant for hookers, and possibly his own family. But these hookers loves Jesus. So, if Ted decides to take one home it might not end up the way he hopes. Then again, Ted was never a big fan of female hookers.

 

Terry Jones vs. Westboro Baptist

There’s nothing pretty (or redeeming) about this match up. Terry Jones wants to burn the Koran and Fred Phelps wants everybody to burn. Neither one of these people have many fans. Just know that if you do vote for Westboro Baptist we will judge you.

 

Stephen Colbert vs. Kirk Cameron

This is a battle of TV stars. You may be wondering “Why is Stephen Colbert in the tournament?” Here’s your answer. Also, he’s catholic and sorry to all you fundies out, but there that does count as being a Christian. There was a time when I would have gladly voted for Kirk Cameron for anything. I’ll admit it. I was a Growing Pains fan. But then Kirk hooked up with Ray Comfort and he quickly fell off my teen idol list. Just remember that if you don’t vote for Stephen Colbert it means you hate America.

 

John Piper vs. Mountaintop Jesus

This might be an easy win for Piper. Apparently, all he has to do is say “farewell” and you’re done. But, he’ll have to climb to the top of a mountain to get at this incarnation of Jesus. Or maybe Piper can just tweet his victory.

 

Ron Luce vs. YouTube Christian Rapper

We’ve got another tough 1st round battle here. Two armies collide, only 1 will survive. On one side Ron Luce has his Teen Mania army ready to destroy everyone in their path. On the other side is an army of YouTube Christian Rappers here, here, here, and here ready for their big break. Who will win? I don’t know, but either way we are the losers in the battle.

 

Steven Anderson vs. King James Bible

This 1st round matchup is a full on Civil War. In one corner we have the greatest fundie pastor of them all. In the other corner is the only true, uncorrupted version of the word of God. Pastor Anderson loves the KJV, so what can he do? This one all comes down to whether or not this KJV is 1611 or a newer corruption.

 

Jack Chick vs. Ed Young

Sometimes you get really random pairings because they were the only people left. Such is the case in this first round matchup. Jack Chick is the godfather of religious tracts. Ed Young loves 3-D. It’s old Christian tech versus new hotness. This one’s totally up to the voters.

 

Rob Bell vs. Tree Jesus

Did you know Rob Bell wrote a new book?? Probably not, since nobody has really said anything about it. In other news, Jesus has been popping up everywhere, including a tree. To be honest this matchup is probably a no brainer. All Rob Bell has to do is imply that there is no tree and everyone else will decide that there is no tree. Rob wins!

 

Pat Robertson vs. Rocking Chair Jesus

This could be a battle for the ages. What can be a tougher fight than a senile old man and a rocking chair. Throw in the fact that the senile old man is a pastor and the rocking chair has the face of Jesus on it and you’ve got a battle of epic proportians. History tells us that the rocking chair usually wins this battle, but don’t count out Pat. He may turn out to be the tournament sleeper that steals the show. Get it? Sleeper, rocking chair. That’s a top quality joke right there.

 

Rick Warren vs. Andy Stanley

This battle is a pure Tupac vs. Biggie, East Coast/West Coast showdown. If you’re an east coaster, go with Stanley. If you’re a west coaster, go with Warren. If you live in the middle, then just go to your church’s library and see who’s curriculum you’re using and vote accordingly.

 

Doug Giles vs. Christian Ventriloquist

If you don’t know who Doug Giles is then count yourself lucky. If you’ve never had to sit through this rapping Christian ventriloquist then count yourself equally blessed. The smart money here is on Giles to whip the ventriloquist out of the tournament because that’s what Jesus would do.

 

Joel Osteen vs. Pet Rock Jesus

It’s the smiling preacher versus a rock that supposedly looks like Jesus and Mary. Osteen is the heavy favorite here. After all what’s not to love about Joel? I would say everything. Then again, if you vote for Joel God will make you rich.

 

Ken Ham vs. Ray Comfort

This may just be the toughest 1st round matchup to call. You’ve got Creation Museum founder Ken Ham going against none other than the banana man himself Ray Comfort. This one will definitely come down to the wire, but Ham may just pull through with his epic Noah’s ark theme park.

 

Third Eagle vs. John Hagee

Things don’t get any easier with this matchup. We’ve got two titanic self proclaimed experts on end time prophecy going head to head. If John Hagee seems like the favorite here, then it’s only because you don’t know enough about the Third Eagle of the Apocalypse. Watch his videos, especially the music videos, and then decide who the real co-prophet of the end times is!

 

Buddy Jesus vs. May 21, 2011

This may seem like a random pairing, an action figure against a prophesied date for the second coming, but that’s only because it is. Buddy Jesus is pretty awesome, but does is have the cahones to run a national campaign declaring the exact date for the second coming of Jesus. This one’s all on you.

 

So there you have it! Breakdowns of all the 1st round matchups. In the end though, it’s up to YOU to vote on the winner. Stay tuned for a schedule of match up and voting times.

American Jesus Madness

Zack —  March 15, 2011 — 13 Comments

 

 

It’s March Madness time which means it’s time for all true blooded Americans to neglect their jobs for the next couple of weeks pouring over obscure statistics in order to fill out the perfect bracket and then watch that bracket bust after the first round.

Since we anticipate having our own brackets busted by Friday we’ve decided have some fun before we get depressed.

We’re starting a new tradition and we’re calling it: American Jesus Madness.

It works just like the NCAA Tournament, but instead of basketball teams we’re going to use famous Christians and famous Christian things. We’ve sort of seeded people, i.e. Rob Bell should have an easy match up against the image of Jesus that appeared on a tree recently. However other 1st round matches are a bit tougher, i.e. Terry Jones vs. Westboro Baptist.

It’s completely up to YOU to decided who wins and why. You can vote on who/what is funnier, more important, you can choose the lesser/greater of two evils or choose winners to create awesome match ups in later rounds. You can use any rational you want and feel free to let us know why you chose the way you did.

UPDATE: We’ll have a 1st Round breakdown posted later today so that you can have a better idea about the match ups and who to choose.

Here’s how it’s gonna work:

Below is a bracket we’ve put together. Believe it our not we actually have a prize for the winner! We’re super rich youth pastors, so it’s an awesome $10 iTunes gift card.

If you want to play, then you must print off the bracket below, fill it out by MIDNIGHT THIS THURSDAY, and email it back to us at americanjesusblog@gmail.com (Note: This will probably require you to scan the form or take a picture of it and send us the jpeg) Please include your full name and address with your submission so that we can mail you the iTunes gift card if you win. (All names and address will be deleted upon completion of the tournament)

The tournament will begin THIS FRIDAY morning. (A schedule of match ups will be posted shortly)

We will list and describe the match up and then it is up to YOU to vote on who would win in a head-to-head grudge match. The voting times will be announced with the match up schedule.

You will receive 1 point for every correct winner in the first round, 3 points for the second round, 5 points for the third round, 10 points for the fourth round, and 20 points if you pick the grand champion, or as we are calling it: American Jesus Christian of the Year

The tournament is open to everyone, so help us spread the word on Twitter and Facebook!

Without further ado here is the official American Jesus Madness Tournament Bracket:

You can click on the image above or download a pdf version here: American Jesus Madness Bracket

*In case of a tie we will select a winner out of a hat. Seriously, we own a hat.

**Also, this is obviously the first time we’ve done this so if an unforeseen issue arises please let us know calmly and we will make up an answer for you. REMEMBER THIS IS JUST FOR FUN

I don’t mean to make assumptions, but the guy in the video seems quite taken with the “radiant and ruddy” man described in Song of Songs.  Maybe even more so than his (assumedly) female lover who writes about him.

For those taking notes at home, here are some things on the “real dude” checklist.

  • Dark skin (editors note: RAWR!)
  • Doesn’t wear skinny jeans
  • Doesn’t drink decaf herbal tea
  • Wins lots of fights
  • Doesn’t listen to Celine Dion
  • Doesn’t watch Ellen
  • Is somewhat familiar with Jersey Shore, although that part is a little confusing
  • Doesn’t look like a chick

I guess that about covers it.

Remember when Jesus said “Hate everyone that doesn’t agree with you theologically and call them heretics?” Me neither. Then again if you were to read most of the blogs and tweets that have popped up over the weekend concerning Rob Bell’s new book Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived you would think that the primary mission of the church is to trash everyone who’s theology doesn’t align with yours and sentence them to an eternity in hell.

This isn’t to say that I don’t think theology isn’t important. I’ve spent most of the past decade of my life studying theology on an academic level and I’m currently in the process of writing a theology book. Theology is tremendously important to the life of the church. It tells us who we are and shapes how we live our lives. The result of bad theology can become incredibly problematic. The concept of “heresy” does have a place in the life of the church. It’s tell us “this is how far we can go and no further”, or maybe more acurately “this is who we are and this who we are not.”

However, we have to be incredibly careful when we go around labeling people “heretics” and their theology “heresy.” Simply because someone doesn’t agree with what you think is fundamentally important to the faith doesn’t mean 1) they are a heretic or 2)what you hold so dear is actually fundamentally important to the faith.

For starters, and this has already been said many other places, you can’t start accusing something of heresy or anything else if you don’t actually know what they’ve said. It amazes (and disgusts) me that so many people have pounced on Rob Bell simply from a marketing campaign from his publisher. I’m looking at you John Piper, Joshua Harris, and Mark Driscoll. As pastors and leaders in the church they ought to be ashamed of how they are and have treated this man without ever having actually read his book. Anyone with a modicum of ability to put their own bias and pre-convinced ideas to the side could watch the video Rob has produced and notice that he never actually makes the claims others are making for him. It’s a marketing campaign. It’s meant to stir up interest and to that end it might just be the greatest Christian marketing campaign in recent memory.

I’m definitely not the only one to notice this (Matthew Paul Turner has spent the better part of his weekend in theological twitter debates over this), but it seems that much of the outcry over Rob’s book stems less from his perceived departure from orthodoxy and more from the fact that he’s not Calvinist or Reformed. The reality of the American church is that most of its loudest voices and most visible faces are people who adhere to the theology of John Calvin. John Piper: Calvinist. Joshua Harris: Calvinst. Mark Driscoll: Calvinist. This isn’t a knock against Calvinism. I for one am a proud Wesleyan-Armenian but I still love those in the Reformed tradition and consider them to be brothers and sisters in Christ. I think the problem is that these men, and well as many others, have been decived by their own prominence into thinking that Calvinist/Reformed theology is orthodoxy. Therefore, anyone who doesn’t agree with all the tenets of Calvin is a “heretic.” The same could be said of many other Christian traditions as well, however, they have not not been as vocal on this issue or least not given as much attention.

Might I suggest, via Jim Belcher in his great book Deep Church: A Third Way Beyond Emerging and Traditional, that since we cannot all agree on the details of the faith we use the “great tradition”, or the ancient creeds of the faith (such as the Apostles’ and Nicene creeds), as our common ground for orthodoxy and theological discussion. It is true that this definition still fails in that our brothers and sisters in the East aren’t completely of one accord on every detail of these creeds, but I think we all agree on enough that they can shape our conversations and debates in a much more helpful way than “this is what I think therefore it is orthodoxy.”

By this measure Rob Bell (along with many others) is not a heretic if in fact he does affirm an empty hell which I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH is at this point merely the accusation of a vocal few. Strictly speaking these ancient creeds of the church, while they do speak of Christ judging, never actually affirm eternal torment. If you really want somebody that tosses out the commonly held foundation of the church and could serve as your poster-child for “heresy” then might I suggest the recent CNN article on John Dominic Crossan or read some of the work of John Shelby Spong. (Notice I said read not assume you know what they’re saying. And yes, even if they’re “heretics” we’ve still gotta love them.)

I don’t agree with Rob on every point he has every made, but I have and continue to use many of the resources he has put together for the service of the church. I do not know him personally but the man I see in his NOOMA films and the one I find in the pages of his book is a man who deeply loves God, the church, and Scripture. He has challenged me and many others to rethink commonly held assumptions about the faith that upon second glance are not at all what we thought, the discovery of which can take us deeper in our faith than we had ever imagined.

If we are to be the people of God Jesus meant for us to be then we have to put these petty squabbles aside and remember that the purpose of the church is not to defend God or theology, but rather feed the hungry, love our enemies, defend the cause of the widow, the orphan and the oppressed, and preach the good news to the poor.

When theological debates are needed (and perhaps they are now) we have to remember not to assume either that we know our “opponent’s” position or that our particular tradition is the definition of orthodoxy. After all, we all know what happens when you ASSume….

How To Plant A Church

Zack —  October 28, 2010 — Leave a comment

Genius. And completely true.

 

Found at JesusNeedsNewPR

Yoga Is Demonic

Zack —  October 13, 2010 — 7 Comments

 

Or at least that’s what Albert Mohler and Mark Driscoll would have you believe. He’s what Mr. Driscoll had to say in a recent interview with the Seattle Times:

 

“A recent essay by the president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., warned Christians that yoga is contradictory to Christianity. And local megachurch pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church went even further, saying earlier this year that yoga is “absolute paganism.”

“Should Christians stay away from yoga because of its demonic roots? Totally. Yoga is demonic,” Driscoll said. “If you just sign up for a little yoga class, you’re signing up for a little demon class.”

 

Now, I’m not shocked to hear Driscoll bash yoga. Obviously it’s not the most masculine thing in the world. So, therefore in Driscoll’s mind it must also be non-Christian. But when you label everything under the sun “demonic” and “pagan” you lose some credibility. That is if you had any to begin with.

Now, to be fair: does yoga have “pagan” (Hindu) origins? Yes. And so does Christmas and Easter. The church intentionally selected pagan holy days and rituals and reclaimed them for use in the kingdom.

For me this is the heart of the Christian faith and the very point of redemption and salvation. We see this over and over again in the gospels. Jesus, the “cleanest” and holiest of holy reaches out, touches, and restores the unholy. The entire structure of existence is reshaped in this redemptive act. No longer does the holy become corrupted through it’s contact with the holy, instead the unclean is made clean again because it has come in contact with the Savior.

We have, I think, in many ways reverted back to the via negativa (negative way) faith of our recent forefathers. We define ourselves almost exclusively by what we DON’T do and who or what we DON’T come in contact with. This couldn’t be further from the gospel Jesus proclaimed when He sat down with sinners, ate with tax collectors, and defended adulterers.

Yes, we must always be on our guard and flee from temptation. But at the same time we must remember that the unholy, the “pagan” is made holy when it comes in contact with the holy. We are God’s holy people charged with spreading that holiness and grace to a lost and dying world. Instead of spending all of our time calling things and people “pagan” and “demonic” perhaps we should start to imagine ways that those unholy things and people can be reclaimed and restored for use in the kingdom of God.